Friday, October 17, 2008

causing others to stumble

Was pondering this:

Romans 14:21 "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak." Romans 14:20-22

Actually, for the most part meat doesn't cause most Christian folks to stumble. Unless they're seventh-day adventist. But I'm evangelical and pentecostal, or as the Russian's call it "fifty-day Christians." Which means that we are in the day of jubilee, past the 7th day and into the New Day that God has made.

So yeah, this meat thing. Gotta update it for today. What are the things I might accidentally do to make my brother stumble? I suspect that telling a new Christian not to gamble then them seeing me buying a lotto ticket ...well, that might fall into this category. Or speaking about keeping the eyes pure and the mind holy and be caught renting a porno flick. That kinda thing could make folks stumble. Anything else?


Anders Branderud said...

Hello! I found your website. My name is Anders Branderud, I am 23 years and I am from Sweden.

You do assume that Torah is not for Christians.
The Jewish Bible implies that by practising Torah non-selectively we make the world a better place to live in!

To realize that one can follow two polar-opposite masters — the authentic, historical, PRO-Torah 1st-century Ribi from Nazareth – the Messiah - and the 4th-century (post-135 C.E.), arch-antithesis ANTI-Torah apostasy developed by the Hellenists (namely the Sadducees and Roman pagans who conspired to kill Ribi YÓ™hoshua, displaced his original followers (the Netzarim) and redacted the NT); is a step in that direction!

So who then was the historical Jesus? His name was Ribi Yehoshua.
The research of world-recognized authorities (for example Barrie Wilson; in this area implies that Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee (a Torah-practising Jewish group - who according to 4Q MMT (a Scroll found in the Qumran-caves) practised both written and oral Torah (oral Torah in an unbroken chain since Mosheh (Moses); commanded by Mosheh in Torah; oral Torah is recorded Beit-Din (Jewish Court)-decisions of how Torah shall be applied).. As the earliest church historians, most eminent modern university historians, our web site ( and our Khavruta (Distance Learning) texts confirm, the original teachings of Ribi Yehoshua were not only accepted by most of the Pharisaic Jewish community, he had hoards of Jewish students.

For words that you don’t understand; se ; the link to Glossaries at the first page.

Ribi Yehoshua warned for false prophets who don’t produce good fruit = defined as don’t practise the commandments in Torah according to Halakhah (oral Torah; see the above definition). See Devarim (Deuteronomy) 13:1-6.

The research of Scholars in leading universities which implies that Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee necessarily implies that if you want to follow him you need to practise his Torah-teachings.
So you need to start follow the historical Ribi Yehoshua – the Messiah – by practising Torah (including oral Torah)!

Finding the historical Jew, who was a Pharisee Ribi and following him brings you into Torah, which gives you a rich and meaningful life here on earth and great rewards in life after death (“heaven”)!
From Anders Branderud
Geir Toshav, Netzarim in Ra’anana in Israel ( who is followers of Ribi Yehoshua – the Messiah – in Orthodox Judaism

Carole McDonnell said...

Anders, you're very wrong to assume that you know what I assume. Especially from reading one post on my blog. First, the comment was written to Christians in the US. And the post is about the verse that says we should not "cause someone else to lose faith by having them see us doing something they are confused about." So it's not a pro-torah or anti-torah post. But I suppose you had something to say and you latched onto my post to say it.

The second thing and the most important thing is that I deal with many Messianic Jews in my life. Quite, quite, quite a few. Please see


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